kuldIp dIpk torWto iv`c rihMdI ie`k AijhI sKSIAq hY ijs ny nwmvr pMjwbI Swier iSv kumwr btwlvI nUM gwA ky qW ibdySW iv`c pMjwbI gwiekI dw mu`F b`inAw hI blik aunHW ny hor bhuq swry SierW nUM gwA ky pUry ivSv iv`c AwpxI ie`k invyklI pCwx bxweI[ kuldIp dIpk ipCly qyeI swlW qoN sMgIq dy nwl nwl ryfIau Aqy tYlIvIXn nwl juVy hox kwrn torWto invwsIAW bVI siqkwrXog sKSIAq hn[ ip`Cy ijhy aunHW dI AwfIau typ 'kuldIp dIpk isMgz iSv kumwr btwlvI' nUM Bwrq dI ie`k bhuq v`fI kMpnI ihz mwstr vuAwies ny pUrI dunIAW iv`c irlIz kIqw hY[ pwTkW leI kuldIp dIpk jI nUM rU-b-rU krn leI mYnUM byh`d KuSI Aqy mwx mihsUs ho irhw hY"[(myjr mWgt)

pihlW qW ieh g`lbwq krn leI quhwfI imhrbwnI[ iSv pihlW qoN jzbwqW nwl juiVAw irhw hY iSv nUM gwaux dI Aqy pvhn dI mYnUM byh`d rIJ rhI hY[ drAsl myrI pCwx vI iSv nUM gwaux kwrn hI bxI sI[ jdoN mYN skUl iv`coN kwlj AwieAw qW iSv qoN hI gwauxw SurU kIqw[ gwaux dw SONk qW mYnUM bcpn qoN hI jdoN mYN pMjvI jmwq iv`c pVHdw sI[ pr mYnUM gwiek bxwaux iv`c myry ipqw jI dw bhuq v`fw Xogdwn hY ijnHW dw idhWq Ajy fyF ku swl pihlW hoieAw hY[ auh Kud kIrqx bgYrw krdy sn aunHW mYnUM sMgIq v`l qorn leI bVw jor lwieAw[ auh vI bVy kwmXwb Tykydwr sn pr aunHW nUM kIrqx dw vI bhuq SONk sI[ ie`k vwr AwnMdpur swihb iv`c kwnPrMs hoeI sI aus iv`c jvwhr lwl nihrU Awey sn, s`qr A`sI hjwr lokW dw iek`T sI[ aus iv`c pihlI vwr gwieAw jo lokW nUM psMd AwieAw[ Sied ie`k b`cy vloN ies qrHW KVky gauxw aunHW nUM cMgw l`igAw hovy[ aunHW vwr vwr mYnUM gwaux leI ikhw[ ijs nwl mYnUM bhuq hOslw imilAw[

? dIpk jI kI qusIN d`soNgy ik quhwnMU sMgIq dI cytk ik`QoN l`gI Aqy quhwfw sbMD pMjwb iv`c iks jgw nwl hY?

ie`k g`l qW ieh hY ik quhwnUM kudrq vloN hI koeI Awrt imldw hY ijvyN mYN gwauxw bcpn iv`c hI AwrMB kr id`qw bwkI dUsrw iksy klwkwr nUM sQwpq krn iv`c aunHW lokW dw h`Q bhuq huMdw hY jo quhwnUM hr p`KoN m`dd krdy hn ijvyN mYN Awpxy ipqw jI dI g`l kIqI hY aunHW dw mYnUM gwiek bxwaux iv`c bhuq v`fw h`Q hY[ mYN jdoN skUl iv`c gwauNdw sI audoN qoN hI mYN Awpxy gIqW dIAW DunW Awp bxwaux l`g ipAw sI[ jdoN pMifq jvwhr lwl nihrU dI mOq hoeI ijnW nUM cwcw ikhw jWdw sI qW mYN Awp hI aunHW bwry gIq ilK ky gwieAw 'cwcw iks nUM kihxgy in`ky in`ky ieh bwl' iv`cy C`f ky qur igAW qUM jvwhr lwl'[ auh myrI sB qoN pihlI Dun sI jdoN mYN s`qvI A`TvIN klws iv`c pVHdw sI[ Pyr jdoN mYN kwlj iv`c AwieAw qW mYnUM mihsUs hoieAw ik jo gwiekI hY ies nUM mYnUM is`Kxw cwhIdw hY[ sB qoN pihlW mYN hrBjn isMG qoN is`Kxw SurU kIqw jo mwstr mohx dy cyly sn[ aunHW Awpxw skUl KoilAw sI[ ie`k vwr aunHW mYnUM kwlj iv`c gwauNdy suixAw sI qW AwKx l`gy ik 'qUM gwauNdw qW vDIAw eyN pr qYnUM is`Kxw cwhIdw hY'[ mYN Pyr aunHW dw Swigrd bx igAw[ gwauxW qW mYN G`t is`iKAw pr aunHW vwieln is`KxI AwrMB kr id`qI[ auh klwsIkl vwieln isKwauNdy sn jo mYN iqMn swl is`KI[ aus nwl Pwiedw mYnUM ieh hoieAw ik ijAwdw dyr vwieln qW nhIN bjweI pr mYnUM klwsIkl sMgIq dI smJ Awaux l`gI qy aus iv`c idlcspI pYdw ho geI[

? dIpk swihb aus vkq pMjwb dw kI sMgIqk mhOl sI jW quhwfy Awsy pwsy iks qrHW dw sMgIq BwrU sI?

aus vkq jI ijhVw sMgIq BwrU sI auh bhuq hlkI iksm dw sI ijvyN 'bu`lW qy zrdw lw ky'[ qUMby vwly gIqW dI Brmwr sI[ mYN qUMby nUM mwVw nhIN kihMdw pr jo ku`J qUMby qy gwieAw jw irhw sI aus dw imAwr koeI nhIN sI[ aus nUM cwhy ASlIl kih lau jW As`iBk pr pMjwbI gIq sMgIq bhuq nINvI p`Dr vl nUM jw irhw sI[ pr iesdy nwl nwl ku`J cMgw gwaux vwly vI sn ijvyN lwl cMd Xmlw j`t hoieAw, suirMdr kOr hoeI Awsw isMG msqwnw hoieAw[ mYN cMgy qy mwVy gwiekW dI pCwx krdw sI qy cMgw gwaux vwilAW nUM suxdw sI ijnW iv`c ku`J pwiksqwnI gwiek vI sn[ jdoN kwlj iv`c Aw ky l`igAw qW aunHW idnW iv`c Kwlsw kwlj AimRqsr iv`c ie`k pMjwb dy swry kwljW iv`coN numwieMdy bulw ky gwiekI dw ie`k mukwblw krvwieAw igAw[ ijs iv`c swfy kwlj nUM vI s`dw AwieAw[ pRoPYsr swihbwn ny ikhw ik qUM skUl qoN hI cMgw gwaux vwlw hY pihlW qW swfy kwlj koeI gwaux vwlw hY nhIN qUM hI qrMnum iv`c kivqw pVH Aw[ pr gweIN iSv kumwr btwlvI nUM jo aunHW idnW iv`c nvW nvW au`iTAw sI qy bhuq hrmn ipAwrw sI[ aunHW mYnUM aus dIAW iqMn nzmW id`qIAW ijnHW iv`c mYN kMifAwlI Qohr vy s`jxw, B`TI vwlIey, suixau vy klmW vwilau[ ieh myrI swihq nwl pihlI jwx pCwx sI ijs ny myrI vI pCwx bxweI[ ies qoN bwAd iSv kumwr dI rcnw mYnUM eynI psMd AweI ik mYN aus nUM bhuq gwieAw[ iesdy nwl nwl mYN vwieln vI is`K leI sI qy klwsIkl sMgIq vI[ mYN kwlz dy swry swl gwauNdw irhw qy swfw pyNfU kwlj hr swl dUsry kwljW iv`coN A`T ds trwPIAW ij`q ky ilAwauNdw irhw[

? qusIN iSv kumwr btwlvI aunHW nUM Awp vI kdI gwauNdy suixAw hY ?

	iSv kumwr dI gwiekI
	brqwnIAw PyrI dI... (2)
	brqwnIAw PyrI dI swihqk iMmlxI (1) (1972)

qusIN ieh bhuq cMgw suAwl pu`iCAw hY[ jdoN Bwrq dI cIn nwl lVweI ho ky htI sI audoN mwqw gujrI kwlj PiqhgV swihb ie`k ieMtrkwlj kMpItISn ho irhw sI ijs iv`c mYN vI jwxw sI, jdoN mYnUM pqw l`gw ik au`Qy iSv kumwr btwlvI Aw irhw hY qW mYnUM bhuq KuSI hoeI ik mYN iSv dw gIq ausy dy swhmxy gwvWgw[ mukwblw SurU ho igAw pr iSv nhIN AwieAw auh lyt sI[ myrw s`qvW nMbr sI[ Cy dI vwrI Aw geI pr iSv kumwr nhIN Awey[ mYNnUM ies g`l qy du`K hox l`igAw ik mYN iSv qoN ibnW hI gw jwvWgw myrw gL Br AwieAw[ pr jdoN mYN styj qy ciVAw hI qW audoN hI AnwaUNsmYNt ho geI ik auh Aw gey[ mYN aunHW dw gIq suixau vy klmW vwilau hY A`K cuBI Amn dI Awieau vy PUkW mwirau gwieAw[ auh AYny pRBwvq hoey ik aunHW mYnUM j`PI iv`c lY ky ipAwr id`qw[ jdoN mYN cMfIgV XUnIvristI iv`c pVHdw sI audoN iSv pMdrW sYktr iv`c rihMdy sI auh Aksr swfI XUnIvristI iv`c AwauNdy rihMdy[ audoN aunHW nwl iml bYTx dw mOkw vI imilAw[ audoN auh mYnUM kMifAwlI Qohr gwaux nUM kwPI kihMdy huMdy sI[

? dIpk swihb, ijnHW idl dIAW gihrweIAW iv`coN iSv ny iliKAw qusIN aunI hI iS`dq nwl aunHW nUM gwieAw[ aus smyN ieh ie`k AOKw kMm sI jdoN qUMby vwly gIqW dw zmwnw sI jdoN dogwxy gw ky lokW nUM hlkI iksm dw mnorMjn muheIAw kIqw jw irhw sI audoN qusIN swihqk gIq gwaux dI juArq ikvyN kIqI? jW quhwnUM iksy ny auqSwihq kIqw[ jW qusI koeI nvIN iprq pwaux bwry soc rhy sI ik Swied koeI qbdIlI Aw sky[ quhwfI ieh koisS ku`J h`d q`k kwmXwb vI rhI hY[

ausdy do iqMn kwrn ny[ ie`k qW myrI AyzUkySnl bYkrwaUNf, dUjw myry ipqw jI dI pRyrnw ik cMgw gwauxw hY[ ie`k ieh vI sI ik klwsIkl gwiekI is`Kx nwl myrw is`DI swDI gwiekI nwl bhuqw sbMD irhw[ ie`k kwlj iv`c pihlW mYN pRI-mYfIkl iv`c dwKlw ilAw sI Pyr jdo mYN dUsry swl Awrts vl Aw igAw qW myry sbjYkt, AMgryz, pMjwbI qy ArQ swSqr ho gey[ mYnUM swihq pVHn dw bhuq SONk sI, aunI idnI iSv kumwr bhuq pwpUlr sI jo Awpxy hI AMdwz nwl gwauNdw sI ijs nUM koeI hor nhIN sI gwauNdw pr ies ny mYnUM bhuq pRBwvq kIqw[ bwkI myry pihly ausqwd jI dI is`iKAw qy ienHW swrIAW g`lW ny mYnUM swhqk rcnwvW gwaux leI pRyirAw[ hwlWik mYnUM pqw sI ik swhq nUM suxn vwly bhuqy nhIN[ mYNnUM ku`J lokW hlkw Pulkw gwaux leI vI ikhw qW ik mYN mShUr ho skW pr mYN Aijhw kIqw nhIN[ eysy krky mYN pRoPYSnl Awritst nhIN bx sikAw jo ies qoN pYsy kmw skdw[ mYnUM l`gdw hY jo myrw PYslw sI TIk hI sI[

? dIpk swihb qusIN Bwrq iv`c rihMdy smyN koeI typ irkwrf krvw id`qI jW nhIN?

nhIN typ qW koeI nhIN sI krvweI ikauNik mYN XUnIvristI pVHn smyN hI eyDr Aw igAw sI[ prMqU pihlW jdoN mYN b`icAW dy progrwm iv`c Bwg lYNdw sI qW ryfIau vwilAW ny keI vwrI irkwrifMg kIqI sI[ aus vkq nwly typW nhIN irkwrf hI huMdy sn[ mYN jlMDr ryfIau qoN b`icAW dy pRogrwm iv`c AwauNdw irhw hW[ jdoN mYN pMjwb swry iv`c gwA irhw sI qW swihqk hI gwA irhw sI mYnUM ieh vI pqw sI ik swihqk gIqW nUM iksy vI kMpnI ny irkwrf nhIN krnw[

? qusIN d`isAw hY ik qusIN swry pMjwb iv`c gwieAw iks qrHW dw gwieAw sI Awm gwiekW vWgUM styjW qy jW kwljW XUnIvristIAW iv`c?

hW jI isrP kwljW, XUnIvristIAW iv`c jW Pyr swihqk smwgmW qy mYN iksy ivAwh iv`c nhI gwieAw[

? dIpk jI qusIN kYnyfw iv`c kdoN Awey sI ?

kYnyfw AwieAW hW mYN 1972 iv`c[ eyQy Aw ky myrw sB qoN v`fw audryvW ieh hoieAw ik mhOl ie`k dm bdl igAw[ ik`Qy kwlj qy XUnIvristIAW ikQy B`j n`s iPkr qy kMm[ SurU iv`c eyQy Awky mYN mzdUrI vI kIqI ijvy Awm lok sMGrS krdy Pyr sY`t hox leI kmipaUtr qy ibjns mnyjmYNt dy kors vI kIqy[ ies qrHW Awky mYN iqMn cwr swl kMm krn dy nwl pVHdw vI irhw[

? dIpk swihb ij`Qy qusIN sMgIq nwl juVy rhy au`Qy ipCly do FweI dhwikAW qoN qusIN ryfIau nwl vI juVy rhy hoN[ pMjwb dI gUMj torWto iv`c SurU hoey pihly ryfIau pRogrwmW iv`coN ie`k hY[ ryfIau Aqy sMgIq dw Awps iv`c kI sbMD hY?

rYfIau qW ies qrHW hY ik jdoN myrI jOb TIk l`g geI sI qW eyQy ie`k bMdw ryfIau pRogrwm C`f ky jw irhw sI auh kihMdw qusIN SurU kr lau[ audoN mYN qy iekbwl mwhl ny iek`iTAW ryfIau SurU kIqw sI ikauNik aus qoN sMgIq bgYrw vI pyS kIqw jwxw sI ijs iv`c myrI idlcspI sI[ ieh koeI 1978-79 dI g`l hY[ ryfIau BwvyN AsIN Sugl dy qOr qy hI surU kIqw pr sMgIq dy SONk krky hI eyDr Awey[ pr mYN kdI vI eys nUM rozI rotI dw swDn nhIN bxwieAw[ ieh AsIN swihq Aqy s`iBAwcwr nUM smripq r`iKAw qW ik vDIAw gIq sMgIq pyS kr skIey[

do iqMn swl iek`iTAW AsIN pRogrwm pyS kIqw[ jdoN mYN eyQoN dI j`do zihd iv`c bhuq audws ho jWdw qW sMgIq nwl juV jWdw aus nUM isrwhxw bxw ky aus qy isr r`K lYxw[ mYN iSv nUM bhuq gwxw SurU kr id`qw sI ijs krky jdoN hrpwl itvwxw jI Awpxw nwtk lY ky eyQy Awey qW aus iv`c mYnUM aunHW ie`k ikrdwr krn leI ikhw pr ikhw mYN Adwkwr nhIN hW qW aunHW AwiKAw ik aus dw ikrdwr hI gwaux dw hY[ Pyr mYN bYkrwaUNf qoN Aqy styj qoN "mYN kMifAwlI qohr vy s`jxw" Aqy "B`TI vwlIey" gIq gwey ijnHW nUM eyQy lokW vloN bhuq BrvW huMgwrw imilAw[ ijs qoN pRBwvq ho ky eyQy hI AsIN AY`l pI iqAwr kIqw ijs iv`c AsIN cwr gIq iSv dy pwey[ ieh myrw pihlW AY`l pI sI[ myrw hI nhIN blik ieh ie`k ieiqhwsk g`l hY ik au`qrI AmrIkw iv`c irkwrf hoieAw BwrqI zubwn dw koeI pihlw irkwrf sI[

? kI ieMglYNf dy gwiekW ny Awpxy irkwrf bwAd ivc krvwey sn?

hW jI, Alwp gru`p bgYrw ny krvwey sI myry qoN bwAd pr auh ies qrHW dy nhIN sI[ Alwp gr`up dI kwPI dyx hY[ auh myrw pihlw AY`l pI Bwrq iv`c vI bhuq suixAw igAw[ bhuq swry lokW ny aus bwry iliKAw[ ijvyN AmrjIq cMdn vrgy lyKkW ny vI aus bwry iliKAw[ mYnUM ieMglYNf, mlySIAw, jrmnI qoN vI Kq Awey[ lokW auh gIq Ajy q`k sMBwly hoey ny[ Ajy q`k vI aunHW bwry lokW dy Pon AweI jWdy hn[

? dIpk swihb qusIN Awpxy gIq ryfIau qoN bhuq G`t vjwauNdy hoN iesdw kI kwrn hY?

mYnUM keI vwrI eydW l`gdw hY ik lok kihxgy ik Awpxy hI Fol vjweI jWdw hY[ mYN ApxI pRmoSn bhuq G`t kIqI hY, pr pMjwb dw koeI vI klwkwr AYsw nhIN ijs dI mYN pRmoSn nw kIqI hovy ijvyN srdUl iskMdr Aqy hMs rwj hMs bgYrw[

? dIpk swihb bhuq swry eydW dy klwkwr vI hoxgy jo quhwfy bwAd quhwfy swhmxy gwauxw SurU ho ky pUrIAW bulMdIAW qy phuMcy?

aunHW iv`c hMs rwj hMs hY, srdUl iskMdr hY, gurdws mwn hn[ ijnHW nUM styj qy kYnyfw iv`c pihlI vwrI pyS krn leI mYnUM mwx hwsl hY[ iesy qrHW kuldIp mwxk Aqy jgjIq isMG nUM vI pRmot krn dw mYnM mwx hwsl hY[ jgjIq isMG aunHW ny myry AY`l pI dw imaUizk vI id`qw[ myry gIq mYN Kud kMmpoj krdw hW, iSv qoN bwAd mYN mISw jI dI ieh Zzl irkwrf krvweI "iJjkdw mYN vI irhw sMgdy auh vI rhy"[

? dIpk jI hux q`k quhwfy ikMny AY`l pI irkwrf ho cu`ky hn?

ieh ku`l A`T hn[ pihlw iSv dw sI, dUsrw sI Awsw isMG msqwnw qy puSpw hMs nwl, qIsrw sI "AsW qW jobn ru`qy mrnw" ijs dw imauizk jgjIq isMG ny id`qw sI[ ie`k typ sI "qYnUM GuMf k`Fxw nw AwieAw" ijsdw sMgIq crnjIq AwhUjw ny id`qw sI[ ies qoN bwAd ie`k AYlbm sI "ie`k Kq s`jxw dw" Pyr pYSn Pyr kYnyfw iv`d lv jo eyQy hI irkwrf hoeI sI[ ieh ku`l imlw ky A~T irkwrifMg sn[ pihlW pihlW mYnUM AY`c AYm vI ny vI ikhw pr auh kihMdy sn ik aunHW dI hlky Pulky gIqW dI mMg hY ikauNik aunHW dw ibjns p`KoN huMdw hY[ pr mYN AwpxI hr AYlbm iv`c swihqk gIq jrUr pwey[

? qusIN iSv kumwr Aqy mISw jI qoN ibnW hor ikMny ku kvIAW dI rcnw gweI?

ienHW qoN ielwvw mYN surjIq pwqr, AimRqw pRIqm, pRo: mohx isMG Aqy ibsml PrIdkotI nUM gwieAw[ hor iqRlok isMG koml jo ik bMby rihMdy hn, swihqkwr hn aunHW dI rcnw vI gweI[

? dIpk swihb qusIN styj SoA ikMny ku kIqy?

myrw iKAwl hY mYN au`qrI AmrIkw dw iek`lw iek`lw Sihr styj SoA krky hI GuMm id`qw[ vYnkovr qoN lY ky lwseyNjls, iSkwgo, imAwmI, bMby, pMjwb, id`lI dy gurU qyg bhwdr kwlj iv`c[ bMby, mYnUM ies g`l dI KusI hY ik, mYN igAw sI ikhw ie`k lohVI dy progRwm qy kYnyfIAn pMjwbI Awritst dy qOr qy ijs iv`c dlIp kumwr swihb ny pRDwngI kIqI sI[ vIh p`cI hzwr lok sn[ aus vkq jgjIq swihb vI sroiqAW iv`c bYTy sn hwlWik mY Awpxy Awp nUM ies kwbl nhIN smJdw[ mYN do vwr bMby jw AwieAw[ bwkI jlMDr, luiDAwxw, cMfIgV mYN jWdw irhw pr myry kMipaUtr pRoPYSn iv`c hox krky kdI mYN do iqMn mhIny k`F ky SoA krn nhIN jw sikAw[ A`T swl mYN eyQy 'Jlk pMjwb dI' nW hyT tI vI pRogrwm vI bxwieAw[ aus qy vI AsIN imAwrI gIqW dy nwl nwl swihqk pRogrwm vI idMdy rhy[

? dIpk swihb ijs qrHW kihMdy hn ik pMjwb iv`c gMBIr gwiekI dy lok bhuq G`t hn jdoN qusIN pMjwb iv`c swihqk gIqW dw pRogrwm lY ky jWdy sI qW quhwnU vI koeI ies iksm dI sm`isAw AweI?

mYN iehI khWgw ik pMjwb dy lokW iv`c gMBIrqw vI hY auh gMBIr gIq vI suxnw cwhuMdy hn jy AMdwz cMgw hovy[ mYN iSv kumwr ausy dy AMdwz iv`c gwieAw[ ies nUM izAwdw klwsIkl nhIN bxwieAw[ jy qusIN iSv nUM ijAwdw klwsIkl bxwvoNgy qW aus dI AwqmW mr jwvygI[ pMjwb iv`c gMBIr suxn vwly Ajy vI bhuq ny[ hux qW ieh trYNf hI c`l ipAw ik hr ie`k typ iv`c do iqMn sYf sONg huMdy hn[ pr swihqk gMBIrqw nhIN jy ikqy ieh Aw jwvy qW vDIAw hY[ ku`J lokW ny iepyqlI gMBIrqw qoN ibnHW vI bhuq A`Cw gwieAw hY ijnW iv`c hMs, srdUl Aqy gurdws mwn dy nW ley jw skdy hn[ pr kMpnIAW ienHW iv`c vI bhuq swrw glYmr Brn l`g peIAW hn qy jdoN klwkwr dI rojI rotI ies g`l nwl juV jWdI hY qW auh keI iksm dy smJOqy kr lYNdw hY[ ijvyN brkq is`DU ny duKI hoky ie`k ieMtrivaU iv`c ikhw ik iek`lIAW SIlfW nwl qW pyt nhIN Brdw[ cMgw gwaux vwilAW dy kmry qW SIlfW nwl Br jWdy hn pr b`icAw dy iF`f nhIN Brdy[

? dIpk jI A`j k`l quhwnUM ies qrHW nhIN l`gdw ijvyN gwiekI suxn dI QW dyKx vwlI cIz vDyry bxdI jw rhI hovy[ gwiek AwpxI klw nwloN pihrwvy qy hwr iSMgwr nUM qrjIh idMdy hn[ idKwvw bhuq izAwdw ho igAw hY?

ieh iblku`l quhwfI g`l TIk hY[ hux suirMdr kOr qy Awsw isMG msqwnw ikMny smyN qoN gwA rhy jdoN nW qW koeI n`cx t`px vwlI vIfIau bxdI sI qy nw koeI DUm-DV`kw sI, pr aunHW dI gwiekI hux q`k izMdw hY qy izMdw rhygI[ hux qW A`j typ AWaudI hY qy dUsry idn Kqm ho jWdI hY[ mMinAw ik BWvyN ieh kmrSIAl dOr hY, prwxy gIqW nUM glYmr pw pw vyicAw jw irhw hY[ A`gy qW gwaux vwly nwl ie`k gwiekw huMdI sI hux qW ikMnIAW hI kuVIAW n`cdIAW hn[ ijnHW nwl PotoAW lvw ky qy ncw ky lokW nUM BrmwieAw jWdw hY[ ies iv`c keI vwrI gwiek dw vI ksUr nhIN huMdw kMpnIAW Awpxw mwl vycx leI ies qrHW dy qrIky vrqdIAW hn[ myrI typ sux ky vI bhuq swry lokW ny Pon kIqy ik hux iesy qrW nW C`f dyvIN[ ies nUM kmrSIAl qOr qy bxw ky vIfIau rWhI lokW q`k lY ky jwvIN[ ies dy vI cMgy qrIky hn[ ieh mYN krWgw[

? ijhVI AY`c AY`m vI vloN hux quhwfI typ, "kuldIp dIpk isMg iSv kumwr btwlvI", k`FI geI hY ies bwry ku`J d`soNgy?

ieh myry leI bhuq KuSI vwlI g`l hY[ myry ipqw jI dw ieh bhuq dyr dw supnw sI ik ieQy Apxy ruJyivAW iv`coN smW k`Fky typ irlIz krW[ mYN bhuq vwrI koiSS vI kIqI pr smyN dI Gwt kwrn g`l A`gy nw qur skI[ ie`k mYN Kud Awpxy Awp nUM vyc nhIN skdw[ pr jdoN mYN ieMfIAw igAw qW bhuq swry dosqW ies g`l dI sport kIqI[ svI aunW dw izkr krnw vI jrUrI hY[ Pyr AsIN ku`J AY`c AY`m vI dy numwieMidAW nUM imly aunHW nUM ieh gIq psMd Awey qy aunHW iesdI mnzUrI lY leI[ aunHW myry qoN ds gIq mMgy ijnHW iv`c mYN iSv qy v`Ko v`Kry rUp lY ley[ ijnHW iv`c 'ibRhw' qW sI hI ijvyN 'B`TI vwlIey' iv`c ie`k sUPIAwnw rMg hY, 'mYN kMifAwlI Qohr vy s`jxw' iv`c AOrq bwry g`l hY[ iesy qrHW ijvyN 'ij`Qy ieqrW dy v`gdy ny coA' ie`k Aijhw gIq hY jo pihlW iksy ny vI irkwrf nhIN krvwieAw[ ies iv`c ienklwbI rMg vI hY ijvyN 'Bu`Ky Bwxy sOx ij`Qy KyqW dy rwxy,s`jxW dy rMg ijhy kxkW dy dwxy ij`Qy dmW vwly lYNdy ny luko'[ ie`k ies iv`c dunIAw dy Amn leI gIq hY[ 'suixau vy klmW vwilau' hY 'A~K cuBI Amn dI,  Awieau vy PUkW mwirau'[ iesy qrW ies iv`c iSMgwr rs vI hY ijvyN 'ie`k swh s`jxw dw ie`k swh myrw'[ ies qrHW ies typ iv`c swry rMg hn[ bwkI hux sroiqAW qy AlockW au`pr hY ik auh eys typ nUM ikvyN lYNdy hn[ jy lokW vloN ies nUM BrvW huMgwrw imlygw qW A`goN qoN swihqk gIq irkwrf krvwauxy sOKy ho jwxgy[ ieh myrw mwx nhIN pMjwbI swihq leI mwx vwlI g`l hovygI[

? dIpk swihb qusIN pMjwb iv`clI qy ibdySW iv`c jo A`j k`l pMjwbI gwiekI dI siQqI hY aus bwry kI kihxW cwhoNgy?

smu`cI pMjwbI gwiekI iv`c bwhrlI gwiekI dw bVw Xogdwn hY[ ijvyN ieMglYNf ivcly gru`pW dw, ijnHW ny swfI iPlmIN dunIAW nUM vI pRBwvq kIqw hY[ swfy bhuq A`Cy gwiek Aw rhy hn, bhuq swry sMgIqkwrW dw vI Xogdwn hY[ A`j hr bwlIvu`f 'c bxI iPlm pMjwbI gIq ibnW ADUrI smJI jWdI hY[ jy pMjwbI gwiekI AYnI bulMdI q`k phuMcI hY hux iesdy p`Dr nUM kwiem r`Kx leI ies ivclI SwierI dw p`Dr vI au`cw r`iKAw jwxw cwhIdw hY[

? kuldIp jI jdoN pMjwbI gwiekI dI g`l kIqI hY qW isrP BwrqI pMjwbI gwiekW dI g`l kIqI[ myrw iKAwl hY ik pMjwbI gwiekI dI g`l aunHI dyr ADUrI hY ijMnI dyr lihMdy pMjwbI gwiekW dI g`l nhIN kr lYNdy aunHW vI bVW Xogdwn hY[ ies bwry quhwfw kI iKAwl hY?

pwiksqwn iv`c qW pMjwbI iv`c bhuq hI vDIAw gwieAw igAw hY[ swfI swry pMjwbIAW dI KuSiksmqI hY ik nusrq Pqih AlI Kwn Aqy Zulwm AlI ny iesy BwSw iv`c AYnw vDIAw gwieAw[ iesy qrHW Awlm luhwr swihb ny pMjwbI s`iBAwcwr nUM ie`k ivSyS AMdwz iv`c gwieAw[ nusrq swihb jdoN hwlIvu`f dy aunHW AYktrW swhvyN (ijnW nUM vyKx leI dunIAW pwgl ho jWdI Aw) pMjwbI dy ieh gIq gwey ik 'A`KIAW aufIkdIAW l`gdw nW jI vy' qW auh vI ruAw id`qy[ aunHW swd murwdy SbdW nUM jo ArQ BrpUr sn gwA ky dunIAW ihlw id`qI[ ieh pMjwbI gwiekI leI bhuq mwx vwlI g`l sI[

? dIpk swihb ibdySW iv`c pMjwbI gwiekI dw Biv`K kI hY?

ies bwry sO pRqISq qW ikhw nhIN jw skdw ik ik`Dr nUM jwvygI[ n`cx t`px Aqy hulws vwlw trYNf qW pMjwbI gIqW iv`coN Kqm nhIN ho skdw ikauNik ieh swfy suBwA iv`c Swml hY[ ijhVy Awpxy Awp nUM gMBIr suxn vwlw kihMdy Aw auh vI do cwr ZzlW sux kihx l`g jWdy Aw ik hux swnUM hlkw Pulkw suxwau[ pr pMjwbI 'Pok' nUM A`j nvyN qrIky nwl bVy cMgy FMg nwl pyS kIqw jw irhw hY[ ijs iv`c hr vMngI hY[ mYnUM l`gdw hY ik pMjwbI sMgIq dw Biv`K rOSn hY[ ey Awr rihmwn vrgy sMgIqkwr pMjwbI sMgIq dy rhy hn[ suKivMdr isMG pMjwbI gIqW nUM iSKrW qy phuMcw id`qw hY[ gwiekI dw Biv`K qW bhuq cMgw hY pr Pyr khWgw ik swnUM gIqW dw iv`c vrqI jwx vwlI imAwrI kwiv rcnW dw vI iDAwn r`Kxw pvygw[

? dIpk swihb hor ies mulwkwq dy AMq iv`c qusIN swfy pwTkW Aqy sroiqAW nUM kI kihxW cwhoNgy?

pihlW myrIAW irkwrfW v`fI p`Dr nW hox krky bhuq Coty dwiery iv`c suxIAW geIAW sn pr ieh jo AY`c AY~m vI ny kMm v`fy p`Dr qy kMm kIqw hY ies nwl iSv dI kivqw pUrI dunIAW iv`c jwvygI[ lok ies nUM jrUr KrIdx mYN swry cMgw suxn vwilAW dw Aqy mYnUM ies pwsy joVIN r`Kx vwilAW dw DMnvwd krdw hW[

? dIpk swihb AsIN ie`k vwr Pyr cMgw Aqy imAwrI swihq gwaux leI Aqy quhwfI nvIN typ Awaux qy quhwnUM mubwrkbwd pyS krdy hW[ Awpxw kImqI tweIm dyx leI quhwfw bhuq bhuq DMnvwd[

cMgw swihq gwauxw myrI izMdgI dw audyS irhw hY[ mYN ies nwl iesy qrHW juiVAW rhWgw[ mWgt swihb quhwfw vI bhuq bhuq DMnvwd[

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