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gurqyj isMG, vYilMgtn-inaUzIlYNf |
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| 09/05/04 vIr suKijMdr dw ^q pVH ky bVI hYrwnI hoeI ik ikhVy ivdvwn “hQ qy hQ Dr ky bih” jWdy hn? jW qW ieh inrI pUrI AigAwxqw jW iPr Srwrq hY[ Axigxq ieho ijhy hvwly hn jo ik id`qy jw skdy hn[ ieQoN q`k ik ijhVy kuJ p`CmI lyKk jW p`CmI pRBwv hyT lyKk ijnHW nUM is`K ivroDI vI ikhw jWdw hY, auh vI kysW bwry iek rwey hn[ mYN auh swry hvwly mUl AMgryzI iv`c hI dy irhW hW qW jo koeI ieh nw khy ik qrjumy iv`c bdlI kr id`qI[ieQy mYN isrP p`CmI lyKk jW p`CmI pRBwv hyT lyKkW dy hvwly dy irhw hW jdik hor bySumwr hvwly vI hn: According to Dr Pashaura Singh (Observing Khalsa Rahit in North America: Some Issues and Trends. In S. Pashaura & N. G. Barrier (Eds.), The transmission of Sikh heritage in the diaspora (pp. viii, 303). New Delhi: Manohar Publishers & Distributors.1996), "In the eighteenth century rahit-nama attributed to Chaupa Singh the five Ks are not mentioned as such, although there are numerous references to the uncut hair and sword" (p. 163). Similarly, Dr J S Grewal (Contesting interpretations of the Sikh tradition. New Delhi: Manohar. 1998) maintains, "The contemporary evidence on kesh and arms leaves hardly any doubt about this. McLeod's suggestion that the 5Ks came from the Jat culture is not substantiated by credible evidence. It is not even an 'informed' conjecture" (p. 303). Finally, Dr W H McLeod (Sikhs of the Khalsa : a history of the Khalsa rahit. New Delhi ; New York: Oxford University Press. 2003) states that "Certainly he [Guru Gobind Singh] required his Khalsa followers to leave their hair uncut. Of this there can be no doubt, for it is writ large in Gursobha. But did he command all five to be observed and were they called the Five Ks? The answers to these questions are assuredly in the negative" (p. 212). DMnvwd sihq, gurqyj isMG, vYilMgtn-inaUzIlYNf |
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| 09/05/04 I fully
agree with Mr.Sathi ji. I was shocked to know about Punjabi Papers and magazine
circulations. I was in Preet Nagar last year , during my period when I was in Preet lari
office circulation was unto 22 thousand( Ishq jinande hading rachia period of Dar ji ),
now it is only 3 thousand+. In my small village there are 2 English medium schools,
children in Punjab villages don't bother to read Punjabi and Hindi. Our writers can't sell
their books due to lack of readers, our writers distribute them free to their friends.
English is an international language, no doubt about it, Punjabi is our mother tongue and
provincial language, but our new generations language is English. They can't speak or
write Punjabi. We must note even gurbani is not in one language Punjabi. The major language of SGGGS is certainly not Punjabi. The bani of the first three Gurujis is mainly Punjabi but the Hindi content increases with the fourth and fifth GURUJIS. THE BANI of ninth Guruji is almost entirely Hindi. The writings of PARAM MANUKH Guru Gobind Singh ji are either in BRAJ BHASHA OR IN THE AWADHI dialect of Hindi. In addition to this there are excellent examples of compositions in FARSI OR PERSIAN language by first Guruji Bhagat Namdev, Bhagat Jaidev wrote in Sanskrit. We should not constrict ourselves into narrow compartments by linking purely cultural traits such as language and scripts with religion. IF GURU JI DIRECT US TO CONSIDER MANAS KI JAAT AS EK OR HUMAN RACE AS ONE THEN THE CULTURES OF OTHER SOCIETIES SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED ENIGMA NOR SHOULD BE TOO POSSESSIVE ABOUT OUR CULTURAL LEGACY. Punjabi is the language of Punjabis who speak it irrespective of their religion and the Gurmukhi is not the sole legacy of the SIKHS.It belongs to entire PUNJABI COMMUNITY AND INDEED TO THE WHOLE WORLD. Jai Hind. T.S.Pabla |
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hrbIr isMG BMvr, AMimRqsr |
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| 09/05/04 sMpwdk jI, swQI luiDAwxvI jI pMjwbI dy iek bhuq hI vDIAw Swier, lyKk qy pqrkwr hn[ mYN aunHW nUM ipCly keI dhwikAW qo jwxdw hW qy aunHW dIAW swrIAW rcnwvW bVI hI idlcspI nwl pVHdw Aw irhw hW[ aunHW mwisk pRIq lVI ivc iek kwlm "smUMdroN pwr" SuurU kIqw sI jo bVw hI mkbUl hoieAw sI, swQI jI nUM pRis`DI vI imlI qy AwpxI iek v`KrI pihcwx bxI[ mYN 5AwbI dy aunHw swry mwnXog pwTkW dI pRoVqw krdw hW ik swQI jI nUM pMjwbI ivc ilKxw cwhIdw hY, pMjwbI ivc tweIp krnI koeI AOKI nhIN- mYN swrI aumr AMgryzI A^bwrW jW smwcwr eyjMsIAW ivc kMm kIqw hY[ pMjwbI dI tweIp do ku swl pihlW hI Awpxy b`icAW qoN is`KI hY, hr PONt ivc tweIp kr lYNdw hW[ mYnUM Aws hY ik swQI jI ie`Dr iDAwn dyx gy[ -hrbIr isMG BMvr, AMimRqsr |
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jgrwj isMG (ipMf Fu`fIky) |
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| 09/05/04 swry 5AwbIAW nUM moh BrI siq sRI Awkwl ikrpw krky lKvIr ivrk jI hurW dy svwl (5 meI) dw jvwb id`qw jwvy ! myry mogy vwly vIr ruipMdr isMG (nOrvy) jI qusIN vI 5AwbI ilKq nUM AMqrjwl (ieMtrnYt) qoN Awpxy kMipaUtr iv`c auqwr lE ! zrw ku AiBAws dI loV hY[ bs Pyr quhwnUM koeI vI ''gMd pwaux vwlw'' krwr nhIN dy skygw[ SRI Ainl kumwr (G`gw) jI dw Kq pVH ky bVw cMgw l`gw, vwh ! ikMnI inmrqw hY, im`Tq JlkdI hY[ suirMdr mwhl jI hurW dw mW-pMjwbI pRqI moh dyK ky kwljy iv`coN ru`g BirAw igAw, hy r`bw pMjwbI nUM fu`bxoN bcw lY !! SRI inrml isMG DUMsI jI dIAW AwDuink klw ikRqW pMjwbIAW dy AMqrrwStrI p`Dr qy phuMcx dw ijaUNdw-jwgdw sbUq hn 1 inrml jI idn du`gxI Aqy rwq cOgxI qr`kI krn, myrI r`b A`gy duAw hY ! DMnvwd sihq |
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| 09/05/04 HELLO , KIRPA KAR KE MERI KUSH VEERA NU BAINTI HA KI APNA SOOCH DA DYARA VADDA KARAN, SIRF KHOO
DA DADDU NA BANAN.APNA VICHAR CHAHA MAA BOLI CH HON JA PHIR INTERNATIONAL BOLI CH JIS NU
DUNIYA WICH KAFI LOK SAMDA HAN CH JAHAR KARNA GUNNA NAHI, IH KOI MUDDA NAHI KI ENGLISH CH
LIKH WALA JADDA ANGREZ HAN.KHAR SOCH APNI VICHAR APNA , JINNA VEERA NU ENGLISH CH KHAT
NAHI CHANGA LAGDA OH LOK ENGLISH WALA KHAT IGNORE VI KAR SAKDA HAN PADAN WALE . |
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j isMG |
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| 09/05/04 ieoko vfr izTY jQYdfr tOhVf myrf jf myry pirvfr df isafsq nfl dUr df vfsqf vI nhI irhf, ijs ny ikhf vot Eusy nMU pf deI dI sI. iewk vfr asI ryq lYx leI mMz ivc gey qy gurduafrf byr sfihb sulqfnpur loDI mwQf tykx cly gey , Aus idn mwisaf vI sI qy ieh gwl 1986 dI hY. gurduafry dy styj qy gurcrn isMG tOhVf josIlf Bfsn dy rhy sn, sfied Auh rfjsQfn jyl qo irhf hOky afey sn. hyTF pMzfl dy nfl Kloqy 10 ku nOjvfn ijSnf ivc do ku mony vI sn, AuWcI AuWcI kih rhy sI ik ieh bSdf drbfr sfihb qo hwQ KVY krky afieaf sI. kuJ icr qF s tOhVf spIc krdy rhy iPr acfnk jos qo guosy ivc af gey qy kihx lwgy ik jo rOlf pf rhy hn ieh srkfr dy eyjMt hn qy iehnF nUM afqmf isMG ny myry iKlfP rOlf pfEux Byijaf hY, myrf Aus nuUM cYlMj hY Auh myrf kuJ nI ivgfV skdf, jy Auh sWcf hY qF sfhmxy afvy luk luk ky vfr ikE krdf hY iPr pMzfl ivc bYTI sMgq nUM kihx lwgy, bhfdr loko PV lE iehnf gdfrF nUM qy sMgq ivcO kuJ bMdy AuWTky nOjvfnf vWl afey vI qy Auh nOjvfn ipCFh ht gey qy s tOhVf iPr guWsy qo jos ivc afky spIc dyx lwg pay. sfnMU bfad ivc iek bMdy ny dWisaf ik afqmf isMG kMbOj brfdrI nfl sbMiDq, sfbkf mMqrI hY qy ishq TIk nf hOx krky kpUrQly iksy irsqydfr kol rihMdf hY ,hux isafsq ivc srgrm nhI hY, QOhVy idn pihlF jlMDr hspqfl ivc dfKl sI qy iehnF nOjvfnF nfl Ausdf koeI sbMD nhI qy ieh iblkul JUT hY ik Aus ny iehnF mMuizaF nMU ieQy Byijaf hY. jykr s tOhVf jfxidaF hoieaF gurU grMQ sfihb jI dI hjUrI ivc Aus QF qy Kloky JUT bol rhy hox ijs QF qy gurU nfnk dyv jI ny sWc nMU sB qo AuWcf afiKaf sI qF ies qO vWDky pfp hI nhI. AuhnF dy sfrIijMdgI ivc kIqy BfsxF aqy idWqy ibafnF (jo ik qkrIbn gurU grMQ sfihb jI dI hfjrI ivc hI kIqy hoxgy) ijMnF ivc drbfr sfihb ivco ikhf jFdf sI ik lWK mrjIviVaF dI POj iqafr kIqI hY, kydr srkfr nfl PYslfkMUn tWkr lY rhY hF afid, ivc boly JUT df aMdfjf qusI afp hI lf lE. jykr iksy afm bMdy jF cOr nMU ikhf jfvy ik qUM gurduvfry vWl mUMh krkyy gWl kr, jykr Auh JUTf hovygf qF kdy vI gurduvfry vWl mMUh nhI krygf pr nyqf lok rWb qO nhI zrdy. jykr koeI bMdf ijMdgI ivc gurduvfry Kloky ieWk vI JUT boldf hY aqy Auh pMQ rqn hY qF vfikaf hI pMQ nMU Kqrf hYY. BuWl cuWk dI muafPI cfhuMdf hF |
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09/05/04 ipafry suKbIr jI nojLvfn kys kql krf rhy hn piVaf ies ivc koeI sLk nhI ik bfby nfnk qo lYky gurU goibMd isMG ny iswK Drm nUM bhuq sfP qy isDf gfzI rfh bnfieaf aqy ies df snIkrn sfnUM gurbfxI aqy dsm gRMQ dI bfxI ivcO pRmfixk rUp ivc imldf hY. isKF ivc ieh mnOq ik gurUaF ny isKf nUM kys qy pg isKI dI insLfnI idqI aqy afm isK ies nUM AUvyN hI lydF hY ijvYN ihdUM jnyAu nUM aqy muslmfn suMnq nUM pr musLkl Aus vyly sfhmxy af jFdI hY jdON ienF df kOeI vI prmfx gurbfxI, dsm gurU dI bfxI aqy BfeI gurdfs dI bfxI ivcO nhI imldf . musLkl hor vI zUMGI ho jfdi hY jdON ieDrly bcy sfnUM svfl puCdy hn ik ikQy koeI prmfx hY ijhVf ieh isD kr sky ik sfzy gurUaF ny vI ijs qrF ihdUMaf aqy muslmfnF vfgUN sfnUM koeI bfhrlI ByK phcfn vjoN idqf sI qf sfzy isK ivdvfn hQ qy hQ Drky rih jFdy hn aqy ihdUMaf,muslmfnf vfgUM POkI kwtVqf qy Auqr afAudyN hn. vIr jI asl svfl ieh hY ik ikqy vI gurbfxI, dsm gRMQ aqy BfeI gurdfs dI bfxI ivc iek aDwf sLbd hy ijhVf ieh isD kr sky ik kys qy pg bfikaf hI sfnUM gurUaf ny bKisLs kIqy sn jF asIN vI dUijaF vfgUM afpxy hMkfr aqy JUTI afkV ivc ies pMjfbI jwtvfd-aD- aPgfnI pihrfvy nUM ijsdf pRvfB ipCly hjfr sfl qoN gulfmI aDIn pMjfb dy lokf dI mfniskqf qy ipaf afpnI aigafnqf aqy mUVqf vs ies kys aqy dsqfr nUM hI ihdUMaf aqy muslmfnF vfgUM bfhrly ByK nUM hI iswKI dI mohr smJ byTY jdoN ik gurbfxI iblkul ies dY Ault bfhrly iksy vI srIrk aMg nUM koeI vI mhwqqf nhIM idMdI. bfby nfnk dI isKI dI insLfnI gurU goibMd BfeI gurdfs |
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| 08/05/04 sihpwTIE, swQI luiDAwxvI dw p`qR piVHAw , Aqy auhnW dI gurU goibMd isMG jI bwry pMjwbI ivc ilKI nzm vI[ pqw nhI ikEN, auh pMjwbI dy mhwn lyKk huMidAw ( BwvyN kuJ izAwdw smyN qoN ivlwieq ivc rihMdy hoxgy, pr ) ieh bhwnw lgw ky, ik (AiBAws nhI hY) pMjwbI dI eys vYbsweIt 'qy gurmuKI ivc ilKxoN ikEN sMgdy hn[ myrw AWpxw AnuBv hY ik pMjwbI &ONt nUM sRyStqw nwl gRihx krn leI, iek h&qw vI nhI l`gdw[ BwvyN myry kol au~c pwey dI ifgrI vI hY[ ies mYgzIn dw audyS hI pMjwbI ivc vwrqwlwp hY[ jy koeI s`jx Awpxy ivcwr zwhr krnw cwhvy, qW aus nUM pMjwbI tweIp krn leI aucycw koiSS krnI pvygI[ nhI qW bwhlw zrUrI hY qW iksy hor ivAkqI dw Awsrw lY lYx[ AnuSwsn vI koeI cIz huMdI hY[ pMjwbI &ONt ivc ilKxw koeI AOKI g`l nhI hY[ g`l qW ieh hY ik AMgryzI ilKx ibnw auhnW lokW dI tOhr nhI bxdI[ ieh qW fwktr kMdolw horW dw vf`px hY, ik auh srb sWJw vqIrw vrq rhy hn[ nhI qW auh quhwfy KqW nUM AxgOilAw vI kr skdy hn[ hrpwl isMG horW kuJ kOVy Sbd BWvyN ilKy hn, pr swnUM swirAW nUM kMn ho jwxy cwhIdy hn, ik bwhr P`tw ( prvyS nw kro ) dw l`gw hovy pr AsIN AwpxI pMjwbI-hYNkV d`sx leI zrUr Du`s dy ky AMdr vVn ivc ApxI vifAweI swmJdy hW[ AwdrxIX kMdolw swihb, bynqI krdy hW ik A`j qoN bwAd qusIN iehnW AMgRyzW nUM sbk isKwx leI iehnW dIAW ic`TIAW pVH ky .... ivc pw idAw kro, qW ik iehnW nUM pMjwbI dw kuJ qW ipAwr jwgy[ iehnW KqW dy Cwpx bwJoN kuJ nhI QuiVAW ipAw[ ijhVw ieh quhwfI vYbsweIt leI mwiek shwieqw krdy hn, auh sB jwxdy ny[ kuJ idn pihlW iehI k`c GrV AMgRyzI-dwn, iksy bzurg v`loN ( ieh ilKx qy ik jy AMgryzI hI ilKxI hY qW ZlqIAW TIk kr ilAw kro) qW h&qw Br Es dy hI mgr pey rhy[ auh vI GVI GVI Zlq ilK ilK ky[ Ajy qW auh swrIAW Zlq ic`TIAW vI eysy pMny qy ids rhIAW hn, iehnw dI ivdvqw dw sbUq[ lE, huux qusW rx ij`q ilAw, jdoN hrpwl isMG horW quhwnUM m`q dyx leI KrI KrI suxw id`qI? bwhlI hvwVH AMgRyzI 'c hI k`FxI hY qW AMgRyzI vYbsweItW nUM AwpxI iKcVI AMgRzI Byj ilAw kro[ iksy ny vI Pu`l nhI cVHwauxy[ surjIq isMG |
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| 08/05/04 I was astonished to read about the languae used by Mr Harpal Singh who was so angry about people using roman font to express their views in english that I wonered where this guy lives. He must be on another planet. The world has become a global village. The english language is an international language.Why are we so touchy about it being used in communication. I have written in Punjabi for 45 years. Has Mr Harpal Singh ever purchased a book in Punjabi? We Punjabies are most ungrateful to our language and literature. I only wrote letters in english because i am not very familiar with Punjabi font but it does not mean that I dont like Punjabi. Far from it. In India everybody wants to be angrez. We ,living abroad are more Punjabies than people living in India. Mr Mahal also blindly follwed Mr Harpal Singh in condemning people who use English as a medium of their expression. I know Mr Mahal is sensible man. May be he did not think it through before supporting Mr Harpal Singh. Harpal Singh Ji and others, please friends, debate but dont lose your cool. sathi ludhianvi |
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| 08/05/04 Sarian nu Sat Sri Akal, It is true that we are not expert to type in Punjabi or Gurmakhi script and it will take a while to learn. Also, out of Punjab people usually type in English. I am wondering how a person can write bad words on the International Site and why other
people praise him. Sincere you, |
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suirMdr mwhl (ieMglYNf) |
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| 07/05/04 "sO h~Q r~sw isry qy gMF" vrgI g~l krn leI hrpwl isMG jI dw bhuq DMnvwd [ pr jy v~fy AMgryzW dy kMn qy jUM srky qW [ ienWH dw qW bwbU iProz dIn SrP nwl mu~F kdImoN vYr l~gdY [ jgrwj isMG dy 25 ApRYl vwly Kq iv~clI kOVI s~cweI ny vI bhuq pRySwn kIqw [ aunHW dy Kq qoN bwd dIAW CpIAW 36 ic~TIAW 'coN 26 ic~TIAW AMgryzI zubwn 'c hn jo ik swfI pqwl q~k Zrk cu~kI pMjwbI leI nPrq dIAW mUMh boldIAW qsvIrW[ ienW BVUAW nUM koeI smJwvy ik swfI mwiKEN im~TI pMjwbI bolI nUM ikEN pYrW 'c roldy ho [ ieh aUVy, AYVy qy eIVIAW nUM Bwjpw pihloN hI Kqm krn qy qulI hoeI hY [ "sMn sMqwlI iv~c hoieAw ADrMg iehnUM, Pyr nw ieh hoeI p~bW Bwr" kihky BwvyN gurdws mwn Q~k bYTw hY [ pr l~gdY hux qW iehnUM ADrMg qoN vI AglI styj Aw geI hY ik ieh hux guMgI qy boLI vI ho geI hY [ ksUr iksdw hY? pwqr swhb dI Amr rcnw " l~gI nzr pMjwb nUM " iv~c 'imrcW' vwry khy bol Xwd Aw rhy hn ik " pihlI BrvIN Psl iehnW dI EdoN l~gI, jdoN A~Dy pMjwbIAW pMjwbI C~fI - Pyr AglI Psl dy bI gey iKlwry…" hrvIr BMvr jI ies vwry vI ilKo qy d~so ik SoR.gu.pR.kmytI dy 224 kRoV dy b~jt 'coN pMjwbI bolI dy pswr vwry vI ku~J rwKvW r~iKAw igAY ? ….. qy nwl hI ---- kI AsIN tI.vI. cYnlW qy 'pMjwbI s~iBAwcwr' dIAW v~FIAW jWdIAW jVHW vwry cwr Sbd ilKx leI AwpjI dy ku~J kImqI pl auDwry lY skdy hW ? Aws hY jodVI pRvwn krogy [ swry pMjwbI icMqkW nUM in~Gw slwm phuMcy ! suirMdr mwhl (ieMglYNf) |
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gurqyj isMG, vYilMgtn-inaUzIlYNf |
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07/05/04 swQI luiDAwxvI horW dI gurU goibMd isMG
jI qy kivqw pVHI[ swrI kivqw iv`c BUq-kwlk qOr qy ‘sI’ dI vrqoN kIqI geI hY[ pr
Aw^rI sqrW iv`c ‘sI’ smJ nhIN AwieAw[ jdoN swQI luiDAwxvI ieh kihMdy hn ik
‘myrw "swQI", s^w, suhylw, dUjw vIr hrpwl isMG horW AMgryzI vrqx bwry iblkul TIk ikhw hY[ hux qW iksy kol koeI bhwnw nhIN hoxw cwhIdw ikauNik http://www.5abi.com/dosh/fontview.htm au~qy swry PONt Aqy nkSy pey hn[ DMnvwd sihq gurqyj isMG, vYilMgtn-inaUzIlYNf |
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Ainl kumwr (ipMf G~gw) |
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| 07/05/04 "nwnk i&~kw bolIAY, qn mn i&~kw hoie " - gurU nwnk dyv! jy myrw AMgryzI ivc ilKy ^q nwl vIr hrpwl dIAW BwvnwvW nUM Tys phuMcI hovy qW mYN KImw dw jwck hW - pr mYN nhIN smJdw ik mYN iksy vI iksm dw gMd pwaux dI BOrw vI koiSS kIqI hovy- mNY ilKx qNo pihlW hI A&sos vI zwihr kr id~qw sI ik mNY pMjwbI ivc aus r&qwr ivc nhIN ilK skdw - pr Swied Awp ny AxgoilAw kr CifAw - vIr hrpwl jI, mYN qW AYnw hI jwxdw hwN ik bhuiqAW ny twiep dI muhwrq AMgryzI ivc hI is~KI hY - so ikqy AwpW "gMd pwaux" vrgy Sbd bol ky ies vYb swiet pVn vwly bhuq swry vIrW-BYxW nUM frw qy nhIN rhy ? myrw iKAwl hY bolI ies vYb swiet aupr pMjwbI hI hoxI cwhIdI hY Aqy swnUM s~B nUM inmrqw nwl hI pryrnw cwhIdw hY- myrw iKAwl hY inmrqw Aqy im~Tw bolxw swnUM pMjwbI dI twiep nwloN pihloN is~KwieAw jWdw hY- nwly im~qro mYnUM Ajy AYnw vI nhIN pqw ik jy koeI spelling mistake ho geI qW mYnUM pMjwbIAW dy pMQ coN eI nw koeI Cyk dy ! bwkI vIro pMjwbI 'c ilKxw myry leI AYnw soKw nhIN - hwN
cwA bhuq hY Aqy mYN CyqI is~K vI lYxw hY - mwx nwl pMjwbI ivc guJw - Ainl kumwr (ipMf G~gw) |
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riupMdr iF`loN, nwrvy |
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| 07/05/04 hello harpal singh ji, it is not a question of writting views in punjabi or english, but any way important is to express views .this is not a property of one individual but a newspaper for punjabi community and english is international language and most of people have talent to understand it and i hope you to. It is not easy for all to load punjabi fonts and to write emails in punjabi to express views , importnat is too been touch with punjabi community. sat sri akal. |
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| 06/05/04 ijhnw vIrW nUM AMgryjI ilKx dw SOk ciVAw hY ikauN nhI auh iksy AMgryjI vY``b sweIt nUM Byjdy[ ieQy hI ikauN gMd pwaudy hn[ hrpwl isMG |
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lKvIr ivrk "s~gHlIAw, XUbw istI |
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| 05/05/04 mwxXog sMpwdk jIa, kI bMdw bhwdr ny AimRq CikAw sI? |
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| 05/05/04 siq sRI Akwl, sB qo pihlW qW vIr Ainl ny bhuq vDIAw FMg nwl smSyr isMG qy suirMdr hurW dy K`qW dw jvwb id`qw hY Aqy hux mY Awhw pwblw swihb nUM puCxw cwhuMdw ij~dw ik aunw ny iliKAw hY kysw sMbMDI Aqy iPr hvwlw vI aunw ny ShId Bgq isMG Aqy ShId aUDm isMG hurw dI id~qI hY qW vIr jI aunw dy kys ktvwaux sMbMDI ie~k mksd sI qy auh sI AwjwdI Aqy jy mY TIk hW qW Bgq isMG hurw ny &WsI qO pihlW kys r~K ley sI Aqy hux qusI auhnW dI ShIdI dw hvwlw vI Awpxy mqlb vwsqy dy id~qw, aunW vrgy ShIdw krky hI AsI AwjwdI dw in~G mwx rhy hW, qy kys kql krvwaux dw ijhVw kwrn qusI dy rhy ho ienW dySw iv~c kMmw sMbMDI qW myrI smJ qW kihMdI hY ik ieh qW aunW ShIdw dy mksd qO iblkul hI ault hY, auQy AwjwdI lYxI sI qy ieQy gulwmI kbUlxI bs Prk ieMnw hY ik swnUM jyl iv~c nhI bMd kIqw qy pwblw swihb quhwfw ShId mnI isMG, ShId qwrU isMG, bMdw isMG bhwdr qy hor Axgixq ShIdw dI kurbwnI bwry kI iKAwl hY, qy aunW CotIAw CotIAw izMdw Bwv Coty swihbzwidAw dI ShIdI bwry kI khogy, aunw ny kurbwnI swfI Kwiqr hI id~qI sI ik nhI ,nwly mYnMU d~so ik d~s guru swihbwn dy jIvn bwry ik kox swbq sUrq nhI sn Aqy kI iKAwl hY aunW mWvW bwry ijhnw ny Awpxy b~icAw dy toty krvw ky JolIAw iv~c pvwey pr sI nhI kIqI , kI shI mu~l pw rhy ho aunW dIAw ShIdIAw dw qy rhI g~l kMm nw imlx dI qy auh vI PUf PYktrI iv~c qW vIr jI mY PUf PYktrI iv~c kMm krdw hW Aqy mY pYikMg iecMwrj hW mynUM qy kdy iksy ny kuJ nhI ikhw sgo mY qy ieQy stUfYt AwieAw sI qy lgBg $50,000 fwlr PIs vjo id~qy hn qy 60% dy lgBg ieQo hI kMm krky kmwey hn qy auh vI kys Aqy dwVI smyq,Aqy AwpxI pVweI Kqm kIqI Aqy hor rhI g~l A~j k~l dy smy bwry qW mYnUM d~so ik qusI ikMnW ku b~icAw nUM is~K ieiqhws bwry d~sx dI koiSS kIqI hY , bs Byf cwl dw ih~sw hI bxo,AwpxI ijMmyvwrI ikMnI ku inBweI hY, bs dUijAw nUM dOS dy id~qw qy kMm Kqm, Aqy ikMny mqlbI ho zwdy hW AsI jdo AsI AwpxI g~l nMU shI swbq krn vwsqy pivqr bwxI nUM vrqdy hW, pwblw swihb pUry guru gRMQ swihb nUM ikau nhI mMnx dI koiSS krdy isr& ie~k quk ikau, Awpxy guru qy XkIn qW kr ky vyKo pUrI qrW, gurbwxI nwl juVo qy Awpxy AMdr dI kmjorI nUM mwro, auh vwihgurU Awp hr kMm iv~c kwmXwbI bKSygw Bu~l cu~k vwsqy muAw&I |
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| 05/05/04 AwdrxIX sihpwTko, swQI luiDAwnvI jI dw gMBIr p`qR pVHn ivc AwieAw[ ipCly keI h&iqAW ivc iBRStwcwr bwry hor vI keI s`jnW dy p`qR Aqy lyK vI pVHy[ iksy s`jx ny kuJ idn pihlw pu`iCAw vI sI, ik hr koeI duKI hY, jdoN mwmUlI ijhw kMm srkwry / drbwry krvwx leI irSvq dyxI pYNdI hY[ nOkrIAW leI, bdlIAW leI, qr`kIAw leI, rijstRIAW leI, dwKilAW leI, hwkmW kol AwpxI du`K dI &irAwd ilKwaux leI, eyQoN q`k ik in`ky in`ky kMmW leI vI[ swfI kOm ivc, swfy mhwn dyS ivc, ikMny hI is`iKAq lok, vkIl, j`j, smwj suDwrk, p`qrkwr, swieMsdwn ( s`cy swDU / sMq) hYn[ jo hr roz, hr qrW dy pRwjYkt nij`Tdy hn[ kI auh koeI Practical approach l`B skdy hYn ik, TwixAW ivc irSvq nw dyxI pvy[ rijstrIAW krwaux ivc qsIldwrW, ptvwrIAW, rijstrwrW AWid nUM irSvq nw dyxI pvy[ rylvy tI.tIAW nUM irSvq nw dyxI pvy[ jykr is`K kOm, iBRSt mhMqW koloN gurdvwry Awzwd krvw skdI hY, qW dunIAW swhmxy Awpxw kyvl mu`K au~jlw r`Kx leI, tur igAW nUM pMQ rqn Qwpx dI QW, ies qrW dw vI koeI AjUbw kr ivKwvy[ kI koeI mrd AgMmVy au~T skx gy? jW AsIN swry hI klpdy
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| 03/05/04 BHARAT DAA PAAR UTTARA KION NAHIN HO SAKDAA It does not matter how much the Indian politicians promise to the voters as to what they can do after the elections, until and unless they resolve the question of corruption they cannot do any thing. India is considered to be one of the most corrupt countries in the world. If somebody has to spend crores of rupees even to win the elections, he/she got to get that money back somehow. The only way to achieve this would be to be corrupt himself/herself. An honest, educated and honourable person cannot and will not stand in an election because he/she cannot afford to spend that kind of money. He/she cannot resort to dishonest means to get the votes. So therefore, it is of paramount importance that an honest atmosphere is created first before it can even be considered that our motherland compete with the world. India is a powerful nation on many fronts but she only got to look around why other countries are achieving lot more than her. SATHI LUDHIANVI |
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| 03/05/04 Dear Editor, As one reader indicated that Amritdhari Sikhs sell liquor in the United States, NOT
ONLY LIQUOR THEY ARE SELLING CIGARETTES AND ALL OTHER TOBACCO STUFFS IN WHOLESALE AND
EVERYTHING THEY CAN SELL FOR THE PROFIT. In California there is not even single liquor
store or mini mart without the cigarette and 95% of the stores are owned by Punjabi in
Fresno, CA and surrounding areas. J. Singh. |
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| 03/05/04 Sikhism to be included as instructional material in Yuba City Unified School District Many American Sikhs have faced a lot of harassment and misunderstanding since 9/11. Although Sikhism is fifth largest religion in the world, majority of Americans are unaware about Sikhs and their beliefs. Many Sikh organizations have been trying to educate fellow Americans about their faith and traditions, but a lot remains to be done. The Yuba City Unified School District has taken a monumental step to address this issue. Now all students in this school district will be offered educational materials about Sikhs and students will have the opportunity to educate themselves about Sikhs, and their beliefs. All first-graders will be given the opportunity to use a coloring book called, " The Boy with Long Hair" (available at Sikhfoundation.org). The Usborne Book of World Religions (World Religion Series-available at Amazon.com) will be provided for use with middle school students in their studies of World Relegions. This book has four pages about Sikhs and Sikhism. All other major religions of world are already being taught in history classes in most school districts. This is a big step by Yuba City School District to promote cross cultural/religious understanding amongst school children. American Sikhs in other school districts also need to lobby for similar educational materials to be included in their school curriculum. Hopefully this effort by the Yuba City Unified School District will be play significant role in promotion of tolerence and understanding. Sincerely Jasbir Singh Kang MD |
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| 03/05/04 Dear Surinder Pal Virk, Thank you for taking your time and writing your opinions about the controversy going about the letter written by Samsher Singh Florida. In your own words you have written this letter to clear the 'mess' going about that. Well, I appreciate your sincere efforts trying to clear the 'mess' - since I personally believe that a better opinion only comes into our mind if it was criticized by someone earlier. And a constructive criticism is the best way to make the best opinions and this is the way to learn almost everything in life. Now since we are talking about the healthy and constructive criticism, then we should show the courage to accept the opinion of others also. I think when you were writing this letter, at about the same time, there were couple of new people also on this globe writing their opinion about the same controversy. (I think they are from Austria and Norway ) - these people have also shared almost same opinion as was shared by myself earlier. One person even goes to the extent of telling that Mr. Samsher Singh's letter seems like "we are abusing our own mothers". I would like to give you explanation hereunder that why I do not agree with Mr. Samsher Singh. First of all that when Mr. Sra (that army soldier) wrote that letter, he was talking about an entirely different topic - And no one was expecting ( not caring ) about his spelling errors - except some "Naghochi" people. Mr. Samsher Singh wrote his letter and changed the topic of the discussion. He did not care at all what Mr. Sra was talking about - ( I don't think Mr. Samsher even read the letter of Mr. Sra since Mr. Sra was talking about a very serious problem faced by illegal immigrants at the hands of agents like Malta boat tragedy). Now you are telling us to read Mr. Samsher's letter again because it was written in Punjabi ? As you said that you know Mr. Samsher Singh well and he is very highly qualified (from IIT) and a responsible army officer. So Mr. Virk, first of all we all should expect a better language from the letter of a very well educated person. I do not see anyone else agreeing to the language of the letter apart from you. Next thing that there is "NO Guarantee that if you have educated from an IIT you will learn better public addressing". I am from a village and I know very very uneducated people who use better language and who know the way to criticize someone in a better way than Mr. Samsher Singh tried to do to a soldier of Indian Army. Secondly, now you say that young generation is not open to the humble advice. (Nek Sulaah) - Well, if you believe that the letter of Mr. Samsher was a humble advice then you have seen the reaction that this is NOT ACCEPTABLE to our younger generation ( I wonder if any OLDER person would like the language used by Mr. Samsher Singh ?) Also - if you are giving a humble advice then you should forget that you are an OFFICER - No One is an officer to anybody on this web site. And again - you do not need to be an officer to give a better opinion - as I said that even an uneducated person or a child can surprise you with his sharpness - Have you ever heard 'Child is Father of the Man" - So please do not blame young generation. I read Mr. Samsher Singh's letter again - I like that he wrote in Punjabi - and has also admired the letter of that soldier Mr. Sra (Moh Bhariyaa Khat) - but that was only a ground making to use not so good language afterwards. Then Mr. Samsher Singh is putting a question mark on the performance of the whole department - That is NOT RIGHT. Should I put blame on the entire IIT if one of its graduate engineer does not know what a healthy criticism is ? If Mr. Samsher is concerned about the performance of Indian Army - he can write a separate letter but he should NOT link his letter with one person's spelling errors. Now you say that he was worried that the entire world reads the web site and this does not give good impression if you are not good in English - I think the whole world knows that this is "PUNJABI" web site - and they see it from that angle only. Also the whole world knows that English is NOT a Native language to Indians. Please read my previous letter again - I asked one question to Mr. Samsher Singh that is there some software that would do spell check in Punjabi ..? How about if I write in Punjabi and do some errors - then what ..? Do not tell me that by knowing English we can win the world. I think we should give up the "leg pulling" and fake "egos". "Mithhut Neevin Naanaka, Gunn Changiyayiaan Tatt" - Guru Nanak Dev. I think we do not care much about our own Gurbani (which was not written in English). Guru Sahib never told us to be masters in foreign languages - they just told everybody , to be humble - to be polite - to be generous - to love your mother tongue - to respect other people's mother tongue- and to love everybody basically. Finally, Mr. Virk, I expect you to raise above your personal relationship with Mr. Samsher Singh and help this web site to bring constructive discussions (not the leg pulling). With all my regards to you and Mr. Samsher Singh, I humbly would like to say that Mr. Samsher's opinions about spell check and his remarks about the entire Army are NOT ACCEPTABLE. But you do not have to agree with my opinion and you have right to stand with your ideas and I will care less about it. I said earlier also - our community is facing a bigger problems and that is that we do not know how to say something to others especially when we are so much educated. I will not say "forgive me for my errors" - You have full right to tell me if I am wrong somewhere. Anil Kumar (Pind GHAGGA) |
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02/05/04 SatSri Akal to all readers.S.Sukhbir singh Muradpura has rightly brought the attention of the readers for the importance of hair in sikh relegion. He has rightly said due to lavk of knowledge of sikh history youngstors are not keeping hair. So it is the duty of the parents to teach sikh history, provide relevent literature. Kesh and turban has become the symbol of the sikhs now. Dr. Charanjit Singh Gumtala |
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| 02/05/04 hello
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| 02/05/04 hello
surinder virk ji, please read that letter of shamsher ji florida again(27/4/o4).virk ji no body can think
that it was (nak salay) .this is clear question pointed against the capablity of indian
army officer regarding the knowledge of english language and whole army computer
department .virk ji in answer to this letter kulwinder wrote selv that he is not
participating in english context but he is just sharing his views with others, while
writting may be some times we all spell wrong in hurry and this spelling mistake is not a
certificate that he or she is poor in english. any way florida ji and virk ji we are not here to fight just to express our views and
to share feelings. i love to read lettes from both of you. Readers have just expressed
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| 01/05/04 cMfIgVH pMjwb dw nhIN ieh qW hux vygwr mUeyn dw hY! vygwr mUeyn ie`k nwrvIXn nOjvwn klwkwr hY ies ny nwrvy dy klw Kyqr iv``c bhuq hI QoVy smyN 'c AwpxI jgHw bxw leI hY kwrx? "ies dy PotogRwP dyKx vwly dy kwljy dw ru`g Brdy hn" ieh ies krky nhIN ik iehdy ic`qrW 'c lokW au``pr FihMdw zulm idKwieAw jWdw hY sgoN ies leI ik ienswn iks qrW kudrqI nzwirAw nwl B`dI Kyf Kyf irhw hY mYN ies dy ic`qrW nUM keI klW-pRdrSnIAW 'c dyK cu`kW hW pRdrSnIAW 'c l`gy ies dy ic`qrW dw Awkwr Aksr v`fw huMdw hY jo dyKx vwly au``pr hor vI pRBwv C`fdw hY ies dy ic`qrW 'c ie`k KwsIAq ieh vI hY ik jd qusIN iehnW nUM dyKdy ho qW qusIN mihsUs krdy ho ik ieh isrP quhwfy leI hI iK`cy/bnwey gey hn vygwr huxy huxy Bwrq ho ky AwieAw hY Aqy jwpdw hY ik pMjwb dI rwjDwnI cMfIgVH ny ibnHw iksy iJ`jk dy Awpxy Awp nUM ies dy hvwly kr id`qw hY vygwr mUeyn dy hor ic`qr jykr qusIN dyKxy cwhuMdy ho ijhVy ausny cMfIgVH 'c iK`cy hn qW hyTW ilKy aus dy AYfrYs qy dyK skdy ho : inrml isMG DOsIN |
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| 01/05/04 vIr rwjnIS jI, siq sRI Awkwl ! Awp jI dy Kq dI suport iv`c kuJ ilKxw cwhwNgw : ijs jgHw mYN rihMdw hW ies mulk iv`c ie`k hI gurduAwrw hY !myry Sihr dy lwgy jW Aws pws ds ku is`K pirvwr rihMdy hn ! iehnW dw gurduAwry jwxw bhuqw Awswn nhIN hY ikauNik auQy qk phuMcx leI iek GMtw jhwz rwhIN jW s`q GMty tryn rwhIN jW Cy GMty Kud g`fI clwaux dw sPr hY ! fyF ku swl hoieAw mYnUM iek volunteer is`K dw Pon AwieAw ,'' AwE jgrwj isMG gurduAwry lY c`lIey....'' mYN ikhw , ''idl qW bVw krdY pr vwDU Cu`tI hY koeI nhIN....ikqy Pyr shI..'' ..''ikqy Pyr nhIN iesy vIkAYNf c`loN qW AwpW nUM tryn dIAW itktW gurduAwry v`loN ByjIAW geIAW hn, nwly sb`b nwl gurUGr dy drSn ho jwxgy nwly gurduAwry dy pRDwn dI cox ho rhI hY, AwpW Awpxy vot dI vrqoN vI kr skWgy !'' gurduAwry dy pRDwn dI cox lV rhy aumIdvwr v`loN cwr
boqlW ivskI Aqy Cy itktW pihlw drjw (Awaux-jwx, tryn rwhIN) pl`s brykPwst Aqy lMc dw Krcw
swnUM ByijAw igAw !(bolo vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw vwihgurU jI kI Piqh) hux qusIN Awp hI soco
vIr rwjnIS jI iek gurU kw is`K Bwv AMimRqDwrI hI gurUGr dy pRDwn dI cox lV |
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| 01/05/04 Hello , One reader of 5 abi com is in doubt that if sikhs are not allow to drink alcohol y they sell in shops run by them in usa, dear rajnish non of religion encourage to use alcohol /other stoffs , but laterly people for their own interest and life stnadard begined to consume this things. even not in hindu religion , neither in muslim religion it is allowed to drink alcohol
but they do and even sell them. if u dont love india please dont disgrade india , dont forget u all some live abroad
have roots in india .it is due to india that people know that turban man is indian , many
of the countries dont know about sikh religion , yes they are aware of that turban people
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| 01/05/04 Dear friends, I have been watching this hollow controversy on a letter of suggestion by a senior member of the society, Colonel Shamsher Singh of Florida. And I could not help taking notice of the writers, who like to go to the message board, but can't take a healthy comment. In return they are questioning his quality of being a gentleman, and responsible for disturbing the environment of the message board, which sounds highly abusive by itself. I know Colonel Shamsher Singh personally, who is an I.I.T. engineer and was on the faculty of Indian Military Academy. On having read his letter in Punjabi and speaking to him, I could not prevent myself from clearing the mess. So, At the bottom of the letter he again writes, ieh ivAkqI-gq Avgux nhI hY[ mihkmy dI kwrguzwrI 'qy iek svwl
jwpdY hY[ Colonel Shamsher Singh jokingly said, that " It is simply a generation gap. The younger generation cannot take a healthy comment, even if it is for self improvement (because according to them, they know it all). He again continued. When we are on INTERNET, the whole world watches us. And if this
world finds that we belong to the Indian Army (of which I am proud, because I have been a
part of it for the major part of my life) , it hurts. The very basic instruction on E.
Mails. auh kihx l`gy ik rozwnw jIvn ivc vI, jy kr AsIN iksy
nUM Kq ilKdy hW qW aus Text nUM ilKx qoN bwAd iek do vwrIN zrUr pVHdy hW[ ikENik jy (Bu`l
BulyKy koeI A`p-Sbd iliKAw jwvy, koeI qwrIK Zlq ilKI jwvy, qW ilKx vwly dI Xogqw 'qy pRSn
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| 01/05/04 SAT SHRI AKAL Ji, well first of all i m sorry as i m not gona write feelings or thoughts in punjabi as i
m just not use to for punjabi font and it will take some time for me,,,,,and i m not gona
take much time te satkar yog veer shamsher singh ji I WAS REALLY SURPRISED WITH UR LETTER ABT ENGLISH MISTAKES,,,APAN RAHE NA BAS NUKS KADN JOGE HI,,,TE JIDAN WI HEGE TAN TUSI WI US MITTI TO HI ,,,EH ADD GAL HAI KE AAJ TUHANU US DESH DI KABLIYAT TE QUESTION MARK LAUN DI ADAT PE GAYI HAI,,TELL M WHT U DID FOR UR CONTRY,,,,,,,,SORRY FOR ALL RUDE WORDS |
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| 30/04/04 Sat Sri Akalji I am delighted to readthis invaluable online Magazine. It keeps me and my wife abreast with news and juice.Thanks. Dr. Amritpal Singh MVSc, DVM & Sirjana MSc.Pennsylvania, USA |
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| 30/04/04 Hi Readers, I have one question in my mind for the last couple of months. I have seen that in USA
many of the liquor stores are running by sikhs--and most of them goes to GURUDWARA Sahib,
and many of stotre owners are even AMRITDHARI SIKHS--my question is , as in Sikhisim--one
is not allow to drink liquor---but can a Amritdhari Plz comments |
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30/04/04 wvfhygurU jI kf Kflsf vfhyguru jI kI Pqy! -bfdlF vfsqy Bog pfAuxy koeI nvIL jF aAUKI gl nhIL | agr 5 sfl hor pMjfb Auqy rfj iml jFdf qF iesdf vI BOg pF hI dyxf sI. tOhry ny pMQ df kuC nhIL bxn idqf, roVf bixaf irhf. -bfdl punjf qo curfky/Kfky hirafxf, XUpI, idlI aqy ivdysF ivc jfky Zkfr mfrdy rhy | Cfvfs pMjfb ky spUq, kYptn srkfr df Bog pfky iPr
pMjfb dy Bog dy rfsqy q aFpy hI Kul jfxgy | iek prdysI pMjfbI |
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| 30/04/04 Dear Shamsher Singh, I was shocked to read your comments on Indian army. I couldn't find any wrong spell in message of Kulwinder Singh. Even if there is some written wrong, may be by mistake even then you shouldn't think that Indian army is not having any standard and so on. I am staying in Singapore since last three years and met many people like you, who belong to India but abusing India in one or other way. May be there are many spelling mistakes in my message also and I am also a computer engineer, but pls. pls. now don't comment that Indian education standard is also not good. Thanks & Regards, |
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30/04/04 SIKH YOUTH. Mr.Sukhbir Singh ‘Muradpura ‘ is blaming Sikh youths without any reason, they are changing their identity from SIKH to SEHAJDHARI SIKH. No body bother to investigate and research the reason, the main reason when I asked young graduates and educated relatives, answer is simple lack of opportunities for Sikh youths in modeling, film industry, to go abroad, Girls ( India & Uk in matrimonial column, you will see advertise, SIKH GIRLS , looking for professional clean shaven boy, etc.) It is difficult for Sikh boys to get girls even in uk. Shahid Bhagat Singh ji and Shahid Udham Singh ji both were Sehajdhari Sikhs too, but their martydom was a spark that raised a prairie fire and sounded the death knell for British EMPIRE. We NRI are 90% Sehajdhari Sikhs , the same reason we have to changed our identity from Sikhs to sehajdhari Sikh for lack of opportunity in jobs for example, no jobs for Sikhs in bakeries, food industry, transport during that period. Now our new generations following us, you will hardly find 10% Sikhs with turban in guruduara, others Rumal over the head. Reason is economics, Dheeding na paeang rotiang te sabhe galang khotiang. POOJAN CHAALE BRALHAM THAA-E-O,SO BRAIHAM BATAA-E-O GUR MAN HEE MAAHE.( Amrit Kirtan 804) To worship God I proceeded to the Temple. His abode. But the Guru revealed to me His presence within my heart SABH KICHH GHAR MAIH, BAAHAR NAAHEE. BAAHAR TOLAI SO BHARAM BHULAALEE( amrit kirtan 432)All things are within the home,(the self). Not one is without ;who searches without ,lost in doubt. I MYSELF BELIEVE IN THE scientific system, I shall try to describe the reasons. FIRST of all I know that our solar system is part of the galaxy called MILKY WAY , but there is no way I CAN be proved wrong. Religious truth can never be proved correct or wrong. Science, it follows, does not commit itself to eternal truth, but says that all truths are relative to past knowledge. THIS attitude allows Science to maintain a healthy curiosity about this world, and as a natural consequences, SCIENCE IS NOT AFRAID TO ASK QUESTION. Religion focuses more on happiness and peace of mind. It promises eternal bliss but at price. The real world is denied and in its place we are asked to believe in an imaginary being called GOD. The idea is the eternal bliss is better than transient happiness in the real world. Eternal bliss is better because it is not tinged with sorrow, unlike happiness in the real world where happiness is followed by sorrow and pain. The briefest and the most comprehensive description of GOD is found in VEDANTA ( Great Vedantist Vivekanand, Swami Ramtirath, Rama Krishna, Arbindo Rao ) GOD IS SAT , CHIT , AND ANANDA , EXISTENCE, CONSCIOUSNESS AND BLISS OR DELIGHT. Unfortunately, it is sad fact of reality that we are not content with our personal belief. We want others to believe as we do. We impose our beliefs upon others ( on New Generation of Sikh Youth too) . This practice starts at home, where we teach children about religion and God when they are very young and impressionable. It is carried forward in to Schools (Khalsa schools, Hindu Schools, Muslim schools, Christian schools) temples ( Ramgharias temples, Ravidas temples, Balmik temples, Bhatia and Jat temples, Sikh youths are calling us hypocrites.) We wage wars in the name of religion. There are other difficulties with the theory that GOD created this world. How does one explain injustice, the wickedness, the misery, the sickness, the poverty, in this world? One way would be to admit that God is an imperfect creator, and like us, he is capable of making botched job of it. But this will take away from our conception of GOD as the perfect being, omniscient and omnipotent Each religious scripture is full of unscientific facts .Either we have to drop those unscientific superstitions- the religious people will not allow that- or we will have to compromise and we will to say the earth is both flat and global. TO SYNTESIZE, WHAT ELSE TO DO but say that sometimes it is flat and sometimes it is global. TEERATH DAAN DA-AA TAP SANJAM, AYK BINAA AYK PACHHAANAI.( AMRIT KIRTAN291)HE WHO CONSIDERS PILGRIMAGE CENTRES, CHARITY, ACTS OF PITY, AUSTERITTIES, AND RESTRAINT ALL FUTILE IF DEVOID OF LOVE FOR ONE. KARAM DHARAM NAYM BRAT POOJAA. PAARBRAIHAM BIN JAAN NA DOOJA. ( AMRIT KIRTAN 694). Let all thy rituals, duty, religious rites, fasting and worship be this ; know not another but the transcendant GOD. SAASTR BAYD PAAP PUNN VEECHAAR , NANAK SURAG PHIR PHIR AOTAAR.(AMRIT KIRTAN 693) The Shaastra and Veds dilate on sin and virtue, reading them , one keeps going to hell and heaven ANIK UPAAV NA CHOOTANHAARAY , SIMMRIT SAAST BAYD BEECHAARAY(SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB 288) Neither but our countless efforts nor by reading the religious scriptures can we be saved. It is fortunate the most people (including young Sikh youths ) are not completely Scientific or religious but are able to simultaneously believe in both systems. It is common to find that people believe in Science when it comes to material progress in the world , but accept Religion as a mental aphrodisiac. The problems arise when people learn too much towards Religion, and get in to a state of blind belief in their preachers. Religious preachers try to shut down all questioning because the only way they can control minds of people is by BRAIN WASHING THEM We are all tempted at times to think that we know more than New generations, we criticize them and others people too easily, thinking that we are superior to them. However, leave our new SIKH Youth( INDIAN SIKH, HINDUS, MUSLIM AND CHRITIANS YOUTHS) to explore this Universe, trust them they are beautiful , young , ambitious.Our youth knows well this world is very competitive and challenging too.OUR YOUYHS ARE OUR FUTURE. BRING THE FLOWERS TO BLOOM LET THE SPRING BREEZE BLOW, COME MY LOVE, AND AROUSE THE GARDEN FROM ITS SLEEP. HUMAN BODIES FOR SALE IN EVERY STREET AND SHOP, BODIES BATHED IN BLOOD, SPLASHED WITH GORY SPOTS.( FAIZ) JAI HIND. |
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| 29/04/04 I am
just wanting to comment on this news. According to Ex-Central minister Mr. Badal, these
elections are going to decide the common man's fortune. I think it is totally wrong. I
think these elections will decide the fortunes of all the politicians who are wanting to
gain power by any means. Common man has nothing to do with it. Neither Congress nor
Akali's can relieve the common person and fulfill their demands. Please stop bullshitting
the people and let them lead peaceful, hard working life. Politicians should worry about
power, election, who is gonna be in control of state and earn money by any means to become
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| 29/04/04 I do not think any one is interested to know that who knows more English - This web site is for encouraging all of us to speak, write, talk, discuss in our own mother tongue - Punjabi. (I am so unfortunate for not being able to type in Punjabi in a faster speed- as I never practiced that). Samsher Singh has tried to defame Indian Army by telling that one of its soldiers does not know spell check. May be you are the Master in English, but I am pretty sure, you can not make a better army just by knowing better English. As far improvements are concerned, I think there is lots more to be done than teaching good English to soldiers. And as far as computer knowledge is concerned, I think we do not need to talk about India's place in computer world - may be you are not aware that Indians are KINGS in computer knowledge- any doubt ? Not only Indian Army is facing some serious problem - but I think our community faces a very very sincere problem - and that is leg pulling. And I think we should not use this web site to prove that we are so much experts in leg pulling - Let us leave the space for some constructive discussions. There are many people around the world who ask their kids to read as much of this web site as they can - since this web site has become a very prominent source of spreading Punjabi language and culture in households outside Punjab and India. When those kids would read letters like these (making fun of each other ) then I think they would definitely NOT get a healthy impression of real Punjabi culture. Again, my mother tongue is Not English - so please forgive me for any spelling errors.I
am writing in English as I am not good in Punjabi typing and I do not know if there is any
software that will do spell check in Punjabi ? |
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| 29/04/04 hi i am thinking that if you are communist and and you are thinking about congress you are not communist MAN DEEP MATHARU |
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| 28/04/04 Shamsher Singh Ji i think u r in doubt. we write message here on message board only for share our views with other peoples. we r not participating in english competition. and u r indicating the worlds number one royal army. what u know about the indian army? nothing..u cant image what indian army's engineer can do. when i wrote this letter i was busy with other important work. and peoples who cant do any thing in life they can do one thing easily that is they can comments negative on any topic without think. i know i m wasteing my time but i think its necessary for u r information. dont think negative. every man cannot make a gentleman so try to improve u r quality and dont disturb the environment of message board. INDIAN ARMY IS THE ROYAL ARMY OF WORLD. |
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| 28/04/04 HELLO, CAN I ASK MY ONE READER WHO IS I THINK FROM FLORIDA SHAMSHER SINGH THAT IF HE DONT MIND CAN WRITE SPELLING OF COMPUTER ENGINEER, AS HE WROTE THAT MR KULWINDER SPELLED WRONG ENGLISH FOR WRITING COMPUTER ENGINEER, I DONT THINK SO. IT IS SURE THAT HE IS IN USA FROM MANY YEARS , SO HE IS SURELY AWARE OF THAT AMERICIAN ENGLISH AND ENGLISH FROM ENGLAND IS DIFFERENT . IN THE SAME WAY ENGLISH IS DIFFERENT IN MANY PARTS OF ASIA IN THE WAY OF WRITTING . BUT
ONE WHO ARE CAPABLE TO READ ENGLISH CAN UNDERSTAND ENGLISH EVEN IF IT IS WRITTEN IN WRONG
WORDS , FLORIDA SAHIB IH KOI BAHUT BADDA ISSUE NAHI KI KULWINDER INDIAN ARMY WICH HA AND
US NA COMPUTER ENGINEER DA SPEELING AS U SAID GALAT LIKH DITTA . |
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| 27/04/04 suihrd dosqW qy pwTkW qoN iKMmw jwcnw sMpwdk jI, SRomxI gurduAwrw pRbMDk kmytI dy pRDwn pMQ-rqn j`Qydwr gurcrn isMG jI tOhVw dy Acwnk qur jwx nwl ij`Qy smucy is`K-pMQ nUM iek bhuq v`fw Gwtw ipAw hY, myry leI ieh Awsmwn qoN ib`jlI igrn vwlI gl sI[ ipCly mhIny ijQy kMm kwj dy zor kwrn n`T Bj rhI, j`Qydwr tOhVw dy sdIvI ivCoVy ipCoN SRomxI kmytI dw mwhOl bhuq hI gYr-XkInI vwlw bx igAw sI[ mYN 14 mwrc nUM SRomxI kmytI dy mIfIAw slwhkwr ( Media Advisor ) vjoN syvw sMBwlI sI, 15 mwrc nUM b`jt Sysn sI, iPr s`cKMf sRI hirmMdr swihb dy pwvn srovr dI kwr syvw ivc ruJ gey[ ausy idn j~Qydwr tOhVw nUM idl dw qyz dOrw ipAw qy hspqwl ivc dw^l krvw idqy gey[ mYN hroz hspqwl dy sbMDq fwktrW qoN pqw kr ky aunHw dw "mfIjl builtn" jwrI krdw irhw, 31 mwrc A~DI rwq auh Akwl clwxw kr gey[ myrI mrzI qoN ibnw aunHW PiqhgVH swihb ivKy hoeI mIitMg ivc myrI inXukqI krvweI sI, aunHW nUM ijQy myrI Xogqw (Professional Competency ) Aqy suihrdqw ,iemwndwrI ( Integrity ) auqy bhuq hI ivSvwS sI, auh myrI bhuq hI kdr vI krdy sn[ mYN mwrc 1979 qoN mwrc 1984 qk SRomxI kmytI ivc bqOr pI.Awr.E. syvw kIqI sI[ 1998 ivc aunHW myry leI " mIfIAw fwierYktr" ( Media Director ) dI post ivSyS qo bxweI sI[ hux mYN kyvl qy kyvl aunHW dI ie`Cw Anuswr ies AwswmI dI syvw sMBwlI sI, nhIN qW Awpxy Sihr luiDAwxy qoN Awaux nUM zrw vI idl nhIN krdw sI[ myry leI hux aunHW ivSyS qOr 'qy "mIfIAW AyfvweIzr" dI AwswmI bxweI sI[ aunHW dI mOq myry leI iek bhuq v`fw sdmw sI, soicAw sI ik Bog/AMqm Ardws'SrDWjlI smwgm ipCoN C`f ky clw jwvW gw[ idl ny ikhw ik gurU AMgd dyv jI dy pRkwS auqsv dI pMjvI SqwbdI dy smwgm Bugqw ky jwvW[ kuJ dosqW qy j`Qydwr tOhVw dy nzdIkI swQIAW ny myry 'qy zor pwieAw ik j`Qydwr tOhVw dI ie`Cw Anuswr iqMnW SqwbdIAW dy smwgmW dI kvryj krnw myrw zrUrI &rz hY, dUsry ieh pMQ dI syvw hY[ SRomxI kmytI dw kMm clwaux leI 5-mYNbrI dw gTn bhuq hI suc`jw qy isAwxw PYslw hY, ies nwl SRomxI kmytI dy mYNbrW qy stwP ivc pYdw ho rhI DVybMdI nUM T`lH peI hY[ hwlwq vI siQr ho rhy hn[ ies kwrn hux kuJ idn pihlW hI AwpxI irhwieS luiDAwxy qoN ieQy qbdIl kIqI hY, Aj hI tYlIPon lgw hY qy ieMtrnYt auqy lgpg do mhIny ipCoN kMm krn lgw hW[ ipCly lgpg do mhIny AwpxI eI-myl dI fwk dyK nhIN sikAw sI, Aj dyKx lgw hW[ mYN Awpxy suihrd dosqw qy pwTkw qoN iKMmw cwhUMdw hW ijnHW dI eI-myl dyK nw sikAw qy nw hI jvwb dy sikAw[ hux koiSS vI krW gw ik hr h&qy pihlW vWg A^bwrW/ pMjwbI vYbsweItW nUM kuJ nw kuJ Byj skw[ -hrbIr isMG BMvr, inaU qihsIlpurw, AMimRqsr-143001 |
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| 26/04/04 DEAR
VEER DHILLON KULWINDER SINGH SRAN |
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| 26/04/04 AmirMdr isMG jI dw dsm gRMQ bwry bwdlIl Aqy jwxkwrI BrpUr pqR SlwGw-Xog hY[ ibnw S`k, guru gRMQ swihb hI swfw rUhwnI qy duinAwvI/smwjk rihbr hY[ jgrwj isMG jI ny pRclq kcihrI dsqwvyzW iv`coN iek nmUnw pyS kr ky dPqrI p`Dr qy pMjwbI dI vrqoN nwl ho rhy mzwk vl iDAwn idvwieAw hY[ mwl mihkmy ivc qW pihlW vrqy jWdy aurdU mwiDAm nUM isrP gurmuKI il`pI dw jwmw hI pihnw idqw igAw hY[ mYN smJdw hW ik ies nmUny ivc vrqy nW qy QW AslI dI jgw PrzI vrq ky iksy dI pRweIvysI kwiem rKI geI hY[ 'vwjpweI bynwm jyTmlwnI ….' ivc nIrjw cODrI jI ny idlcsp jwxkwrI idqI hY[ ^ws kr ky jyTmlwnI dy ds svwlW bwry[ pr ies lyK dy tweItl ivc lPz 'bynwm' dw ArQ nwm qoN ibnW jW nwm-rihq nhIN bx igAw? myry i^Awl Anuswr mukwbly pRQwey lPz 'bnwm' Bwv versus vriqAw jWdw hY[ poR.pRIqm isMG gryvwl |
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26/04/04 Good for him for marrying Hema |
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| 25/04/04 pMQ-rqn krnYl isMG igAwnI - i&lwfYl&IAw jdoN vI pMjwb v`lIN ingwh pYNdI, twvW twvW is`K hI ikDry idsy, iKsk nw jwvy isMGwsn, ies leI, klH qIk jo kWgrs dw eyjMt sI, |
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| 25/04/04 European MPs call
for UN investigation into 1984 Sikh massacre By Trevor Barnard The declaration was tabled last week by four MEPs of the Green Party, two of them from the UK. It urged the European Union to study reports of the events of 1984, including those compiled by the American-based Human Rights Watch and the British-based Amnesty International, and called for a "Commission of Truth and Justice under the auspices of the UN to comprehensively investigate whether the slaughter to which Indian Sikhs were subjected in 1984 constitutes genocide as defined in the Genocide Convention and the relevant international law". One of the UK MEPs behind the declaration, Caroline Lucas, said that although the Sikhs themselves described the slaughter as genocide, a full UN investigation had never taken place. Her colleague Joan Lambert said: "Many of those affected and their families have sought refuge in England, and we must ensure truth and justice prevail." The Sikh Federation was set up last year as a "political" party and is committed to work for the establishment of Khalistan. It is organising a series of promotions to mark the 20th anniversary of the events of 1984. MPs sympathetic to its cause have tabled motions in the British Parliament drawing attention to the issue, and the Federation claims that about 50 MPs have signed the motions, while several members of the Government, including ministers, have written expressing their support. The Federation has written to every British MEP urging support for the "genocide" declaration, and is appealing to Sikhs across Europe to canvass the support of their MEPs (ANI). |
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| 25/04/04 I was very pleased after reading Jarnail Singh's response to Dr. Harbhajan Singh's article on Dasam Granth. I agree with the points you made in your response. It looks like to me that you have extensive knowledge about Dasam Granth and AGGS but Dr. Harbhajan Singh has very limited knowledge about both Granths. Dr. Harbhajan Singh says that Guru Gobind Singh ji wrote Dasam Granth and meant it to be different in philosophy from AGGS. He also says that if Guru Gobind Singh ji had written DG on the philosophy, then it would have served no purpose. Harbhajan Singh ji, then was it necessary for Guru Gobind Singh ji to write something at all? Then why did not the 6th, 7th and 8th gurus write anything? So if somebody tomorrow brings out some garbage and says that it was written by the 6th, 7th and/or 8th gurus then would you believe in that? After reading Harbhajan Singh's article, it looks like that instead of reading and analyzing both AGGS and DG, he has only read Ishar Singh Nara's book. Harbhajan Singh ji, I think your article is based on Ishar Singh's book. Harbhajan Singh ji, you say that we should not treat every word of DG as truth. So you are saying that Guru Gobind Singh ji wrote falsehood, but why did he need to write lies? The following verses are from Bhagbat Puran, which was written many years before DG was written. It is very ironic that the stanzas from DG and Bhagbat Puran are almost the same. Stanza from Bhagbat Puran kfnHAo vfc sYÍXf Stanza from DG kfnH vfc svYXf This proves that if Dasam Guru had written DG, he must have copied Bhagbat Puran. So, if this stanza was written before DG, then either Dasam Guru copied Bhagbat Puran or someone else bonded DG to Dasam Guru's name. Harbhajan Singh ji, if you have the guts, then please translate all the stanzas from
251-298 into Punjabi and English so everyone can understand Guru's message. If Harbhajan Singh does not translate the stanzas (I would not be surprised if he does not), then readers please click on the following link and read pages 43 to 52 for the translation by Dr. Ratan Singh Jaggi. http://www.gobindsadan.org/institute/dasam/pdf/v2_1.pdf You said that Guru wrote DG on a different philosophy on purpose. Let's examine the philosophies of AGGS, DG and science. For example, let's take the question of how this universe came into existence. DG says that this universe came into existence from earwax. eyk sRvx qy mYl inkfrf]qfqy mDu kItB qn Dfrf] AGGS says: suMn klf aprMpir DfrI ] afip inrflm apr apfrI ] afpy kudriq kir kir dyKY suMnhu suMnu Aupfiedf ] 1] pAux pfxI suMnyY qy sfjy ] isRsit Aupfie kfieaf gV rfjy ] agin pfxI jIAu joiq qumfrI suMny klf rhfiedf ]2] (pMnf 1037) Scientists today believe that the universe came into existence from an atom which is a vaccum. This theory is established by Dr. Capra in his book Tao of Physics. Now, lets analyze the three theories. Gurbani and science say the same thing in different words. But DG says something completely different. You believe in both granths. But they have completely different theories on the same topic. How can you believe in two different things on the same topic. I think you are trying to accomplish the impossible by trying to walk on two paths at the same time. I think it is time to let go of one. We don't care if you believe in DG, but do not try to attach this garbage with Guru Gobind Singh ji's name. Thank You |
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| 25/04/04 siqkwr Xog 5AwbI.kwm jIE, g`l pMjwbI dI hovy qW A`KIN dyK ky m`KI nhIN inglI jWdI ! ipCly idnIN pMjwbI nwL huMdw blwqkwr (keI dhwikAW qoN huMdw Aw irhw ) A`KIN dyKx nUM imilAw ! ijly dIAW kichrIAW iv`c ilKy jwx vwly dsqwvyz dw ie`k nmUnw Awp jI dI syvw iv`c hwzr hY : mYN prIqm isMG vld mlkIq isMG vld lhOrw isMG swkn Fu`fIky jo ik rwzI qwdwdI nmrwn Ksrw 23, 47, 24 AOr 67 mwlIAqI cwr l`K rupey mlkIAq bw mkbUzw PrIk A`vl hY ies iv`coN pMj mrly rkbw PrIk A`vl qoN gihxy kIqw hY ! bwkI rkbw iblwbwr hY ! hux mYN Awpxy bwkYmI hoSo hvws mzkUrw rwzI
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